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Answering inquiries, and one of the biggest questions that we get there is, how do I do this?
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How do I do? Nutrition? How do I purchase compression?
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How do I fit this into my busy schedule, so that’s why we’re really excited to share one of our most in demand topics I’ll just give you a quick a quick rundown of how it will work.
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It’s being recorded tonight, and if you have a question pop up just pop it into the Q&A box, and we’ll answer it at the end.
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We do encourage you to click. Send anonymously and then you’ll name won’t be shared with anyone.
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If you don’t there, it just means that the people attending live tonight will see your name, so we have the lovely clinical nutritionist, the lovely lymphedema therapist, Susan butcher, and we have
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Dr. Chris Lekich as well, so I’ll just hand over, firstly, to
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Dr. Chris Lekich, just to give us a quick intro.
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Alright. Thank you, Chris.
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Thank you. Thank you, you, Emily, and thank you. Lovely ladies.
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All of our patients, or else suffers who have identified.
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They have this problem, and perhaps for years have struggled with it, and and lovely, hard-working, hard toiling.
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Lovely ladies on the ground, both the Kimmy cat and Sue Butcher, and I have to say I was very, very impressed over the last 6 years just how hard these ladies work and how they change lives, and I was in Sydney.
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I had a vesseless surgeon. She was with me for the day, and and she said 3 things she said.
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I can’t believe how lipoedema has been under my nose for decades, and I’ve never noticed that, was her observation. Number one.
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I cannot believe. Number 2, just how incredibly effective the conservative management is, and of course he was there to say the results of surgery as well.
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So point number 2 is a very impressive, because it makes a difference.
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So conservative management, it may be for live, but certainly for our surgical protocol.
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We absolutely on the hard work that therapists like Sudo.
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And of course Sue is with the the Deema Institute, and supported by Sigbarist, which is a huge European compression garment manufacturer 150.
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Yes, that’s pretty incredible. So for a company to be around for that long.
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So they’re obviously doing something right. And then Kim and Caddy, who has herself very much.
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I personal experience as a nutritionist, as an expert, but managing her own, lipoedema and pots, and I know I’m not speaking out of school because many people know that.
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And look, I’m looking forward to being on this on this webinar.
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I welcome you all, and especially big. Thank you for Emily for us being on the drag.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Her back from South America, and of family. We lost her for a little while, and it’s so great to have it back in the fold, and having her as part of our team and and thank you all have a very good night.
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I’ll be on popping in and out and and if there are any questions for me, Emily is gonna flag, those as well.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you, Chris.
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Thank you, Chris.
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Thanks. Chris, okay. I guess I’m up first, right?
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You’re up first. Kimi. Okay, I’m gonna?
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Okay. I’ll share my screen.
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Not. And there we go. Okay, well, let’s start off bye.
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Bye, I’m gonna go back to this one.
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And welcome you all to our webinar on conservative management of lipoedema on a Budget.
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My name is Kimmy Caddy, and, as you know, I’m a nutritionist, and tonight I’m gonna be focusing on mitigating cost and maximizing spend when it comes to food in relation to lipoedema and I’m gonna start off by talking about the types
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of costs that we need to consider. It’s not just money then I’m gonna talk a little bit about nutritional priorities for lipoedema.
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And in that section I’m going to talk a little bit about protein, and particularly plant-based protein options, because I do get a lot of questions about this, and I know it comes up a fair bit for Chris as well and then I’m gonna go through some weekly
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practicalities of a healthy and cost-effective and time-saving way of eating for lipoedema, no matter what kind of diet you choose.
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So let’s start off by identifying the type identifying the types of costs.
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We need to think about and affordability in those areas. So the types of costs I’m gonna be addressing in this presentation are health time and money.
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Because these are all costs. And now I’ve deliberately put health at the top of the list here, because we often forget the cost to our health when we’re making decisions about what we can afford but ignoring health costs is tempting when you have limited hours and finances but we really need to
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ask, ourselves, how affordable is this choice or that choice in terms of our health, if we only think about time and money in relation to affordability, then we can really easily forget that poor decisions in those areas will cost us dearly.
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In the future. Further down the line.
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No, I’ve listed here what I consider to be the most important nutritional priorities for lipoedema, and they are healthy protein, healthy fats and nutrient density and I’m gonna expand on those over the next few slides.
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Where I’ll explain why I feel these are the most important priorities, and then I’m going to tied mauling with costs and affordability.
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Now, why do we need healthy proteins with lipoedema?
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I’m just gonna go through the points that I’ve made here on the slide.
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So we need healthy protein to maintain and increase muscle and bone tissues.
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We need healthy protein to repair the body, and we need helpy protein for essential nutrients and we need to have a think about what are the healthiest forms of pro teams, and one of the least healthy forms of protein in my opinion now I think this
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is probably a really good opportunity to speak about plant proteins here, because not all project are created equal.
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We need enough good quality protein to make our muscles and our bones, and it’s not sufficient to just say I eat protein, or I have a high protein diet.
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We need the right amount of protein. The amount is the medicine or the poison right?
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It’s really important to make sure that we have the right amount of protein and the right kinds of protein.
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And this is because our lipoedema fat can displace our minds if we don’t fight hard against muscle loss as we age, by eating enough.
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Protein, and also doing strength training, which is Sue’s wheelhouse.
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She will speak more about that but if we don’t take care of those things, our lipoedema fat will take up residence where our muscles once work, every human has to fight to build muscle as they age because it’s a sign of healthy aging, but women with lipoedema have to
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fight even harder now, just to give you an idea. Most days I need about 95 grams of protein per day, based on my strength, training my heights, my weights, my gender, and my health conditions.
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Your protein requirements will vary, based on all of those things.
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But to give you a general range. Most women’s protein requirements will fall between 80 and 140 grams of protein per day.
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They’re going to be some outliers there. But, generally speaking, that’s a bad range that I see most frequently for women with lipoedema.
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Yeah, because I eat 3 times a day. I make sure I get just a little bit over 30 grams of protein per meal, and I’m going to talk about that more in the next slide, so that you can all understand what that means particularly in relation to the volume of food like the amount the food on your
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place. And you need to understand it in relation to calories.
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You need to understand it in relation to the efficiency of proteins in food.
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And when I say 30 grams of protein per meal, I’m not talking about 30 grams in weight of site, fish, or chicken or meat.
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I’m talking about the amount of protein that’s contained in protein rich foods, and that’s very different to the weight of the food.
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So let’s move on now to this next slide, so that you can see what I’m talking about.
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And as you can see on this graphic, I’ve listed the most popular plant-based proteins alongside beef, beef down there, right at the very bottom so in the left column I’ve got the name of the protein item and then the equivalent volume.
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you’d need to consume to get 30 grams of.
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Pretty changed out of that out?for example if you wanted to create a meal out of team
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wow? For your protein requirement?
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??would need to eat three and half couss okay?????
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Need to spend 791 calories for that protein portion.
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Now, if you did that for 3 meals each day, if you’re only source of protein, that would be more than 10 cups of quinoa and 2,373 calories, and let me just say as well, not much flight off the problem, with any day, where the
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plant-based items I’ve got listed here.
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Are your only sources of protein. Is that little list of problems.
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Over on the far right of your screen. Now one or some or all of those problems will be an issue for you.
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If you have an entire day of just eating those plant-based proteins, all of the plant-based proteins I have listed here have either week or strong estrogenic properties.
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One of the other. All contain antinutrients. That block absorption of the very nutrients that we frequently test low in with lipoedema all but one don’t have enough Leucine to help us build muscle, and all but one contain fibers that bind up the amino
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acids, rendering them less available for making muscles.
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That means that you would actually need to eat even more of these foods.
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Then the volume that I’ve recorded here on this graphic, because not all the recorded 30 grams of protein will be able to be utilized.
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Another problem, that I’m sure you can see is the caloric spend on these as well.
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So part of it’s the volume and part of it’s the color expand.
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So let’s scoot down now to the beef for a moment.
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Now, beef doesn’t create any of those issues in the problem column, and we don’t need much of it at all.
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Only one half of the cup to get all the amino acids we need for repair and muscle muscle, making like we make our own muscles with those amino acids.
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It’s interesting to digest, and it comes packaged very nicely, with many essential nutrients that we frequently test low in.
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And if you only wanted to use plant-based proteins for your protein requirements, you would need to supplement heavily with the amino acids, which is an option but for nutritional purposes, and in my opinion, animal based proteins are superior in at least all the ways, you
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can see in this graphic. Honestly, I wish I’d known this information when I was a vegetarian, and especially when I was a Vegan.
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Now we’re done with protein for the moment, but I will be scooching back to it.
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I want to go over the other nutritional priorities, for, like a demon, I listed, and the next one is healthy fats.
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Now many of us think that we need to be low and we need to be on low-fat diets, but low fat diets rob us of essential nutrients, and prevent us from being able to lose body fat by weakening our metabolic rate now you’ll see on the slide that
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I recommend, avoiding vegetable oils, and that’s because vegetable oils exacerbate chronic inflammation, inflammation, which is a huge cost to your health in the short term, and in the long term vegetable oils feature in many processed
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foods, and that’s another really good reason to eat fresh on processed foods.
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I will be banging on about that, and I’m not even gonna apologize about it.
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I just want to mention here as well about olive oil and avocado oil, because a lot of people ask me about these when I talk about vegetable oils.
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But avocado oil and olive oil are not verygetable. Oils.
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They are fruit oils, and they’re fine to consume as long as they’re pure and not adulterated in any way with vegetable oils. Sometimes they are.
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And the third nutritional priority for lipoedema is nutrient density.
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So what I want you to prioritize is eating foods that contain wheel unprocessed nutrients as much as possible to help resolve our most common deficiencies and imbalances, and to study healthy so that we can get on with our beautiful lives the real unprocessed
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nutrients I’m talking about. Here the nutrients that come along inside real fresh foods.
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I’m not talking about shakes. I’m not talking about protein bars or any processed or packaged foods.
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I’m talking here about foods that aren’t in rappers or boxes, fresh foods that are naturally rich in vitamins, minerals, and amino acids, and you can increase your nutrient density and reduce your dollar spend by eliminating packaged
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foods and eliminating foods that list lots of ingredients, additives and preservatives.
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And if you’re following I know a lot of people are following a low carbohydrate, and some of you are following a Ketogenic diet as well.
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Please. Please. Please. Please. Please. Stop buying. Processed foods that are labeled Low Carb or Keto.
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Those foods are rarely using ingredients that are healthy.
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Don’t trust the manufacturers. Marketing.
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Their goal is not to get you healthier. Their goal is to get you addicted to their products so that you will keep buying more of them.
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Now I’m no conspiracy, theorist, but this is a business.
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There in a business to make money they add ingredients that cause your leptin resistance to rise up like a monster and make you over.
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Eat these items. They’re very, very hard to resist.
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And speaking about leptin resistance. If you wake in the morning with not much of an appetite, I’m gonna be speaking to a lot of you here.
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If you wake in the morning with not much of an appetite.
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But later in the day you could absolutely inhale a Keto cheesecake or a box of Atkin stars, or any hyper hyper.
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Palatable food. That is a really strong indication that you have active leptin resistance, and those products are keeping it alive and well.
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Feeding that leptin resistance monster with processed, sweetened, and hyper-palatable foods, will 100% increase your leptin resistance, increase your body?
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Fat levels, especially abdominal fat, increased fatigue, increased mental strain, and food.
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Guilt, it’s a real thing, because you feel as though you’re at the mercy of a powerful internal force.
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And for a woman with lipoedema hyper. Palatable foods are too expensive to your health, and your health cannot afford for you to eat them, plus they’re expensive on your wallet.
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Yeah, I’m just gonna pop off my soapbox now and scooch back a little bit to the protein component, and the dollar cost of meat.
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These are some tips to help you make your dollar spend on me to go further.
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So what you want to be doing is calculate the cost per portion, and then make sure you stick to that proportion size when dishing up, as I mentioned on that other slide where I said, it’s only half a cup of lane base that you would need to actually get your
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protein requirement. You don’t need to eat a lot of meat.
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You need to eat adequate amounts of neat.
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Now I hear a lot of people complain about how expensive meetings, but when you consider the cost per portion, even a relatively expensive cut of meat is quite reasonable when the number of portions is calculated and served we want you to choose cheaper cuts of meat that might require longer, cooking or
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planning ahead.
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You might choose larger pieces that can be cut down into individual servings, like states.
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And you can do what I do. I love doing this you can choose unusual cuts that are cheaper, because no one knows what to do with them and then use Youtube to learn how to cook them.
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It’s a really good trick, and you can learn so much.
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There’s so many good things on Youtube to learn how to cook and how to cook.
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Those unusual cuts that you can find at the butcher.
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Now I just wanna sketch back to where I said about the calculator the cost per portion.
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So I’m just gonna give you an example of beef cheeks.
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So they’re a bit of a gourmet cut at the moment.
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I can get them for about $24 a kilo, which is a little bit pricey, and but per meal for me at $24 a kilo ends up being $2 and 66 cents for the protein portion of that meal I know if I used Pork
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means at 9 99 a kilo. The protein portion for that meal for me ends up being about a dollar 20.
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Now, if you compare those prices to one of those protein bars which are a pathetic excuse for protein at around $5 each.
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Meat is great money value and great health value, and that’s a very affordable option.
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It’s also great value because animal proteins contain all the nutrients with nothing that blocks their absorption.
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There are no anti-nutrients in animal proteins, they are completely usable by the body, completely digestible by the body, and I don’t need to eat much of them to be able to meet my protein requirements, and it’s the same for you for those of you who share
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my problem of having a really low appetite. That’s really great news, because you don’t need to eat much food to get the nutrients that your body needs to help help you stay healthy.
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Yeah, never onto the weekly practicalities of of how to save time, save money and save some health.
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But before we get into the nitty, gritty of the weekly practicalities, I just want to say the first 3 steps in this little process I’m about to talk you through should only take 15 min per week tops.
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Don’t overthink it, just do it. Now, this is a little summary of the steps on that back to will you?
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Through over the next few slides. First step. And you do this every week.
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Hunt for your pantry and your fridge, and you freezer as well before you go food, shopping.
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Make a meal plan. Each week I lost some of you then. I know.
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But stay with me. Stay with me, make a shopping list based on your meal.
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Plan those 3 things. 15 min tops every week, don’t ever think it.
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Just do it. Trust me. I’m I’m gonna get there, limit your shopping trips to once or twice a week a lot of people tell you to do that.
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But sometimes we forget the really easy things. Eat a full meal before you go shopping.
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Everyone’s heard of that. Very few people do it. It actually works.
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And when you get home this is something that I think a lot of people could really benefit from.
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When you get everything home from shopping, allow some time for food. Prep.
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Before packing things away, and something that I didn’t put on there, but I just thought of then if you have a family, make, everybody who eats pitching, being practical about food is a life skill that everybody needs it should never be left to up to it should never be left up to only one person and if
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you’ve got your family’s watching as well. I’m talking to you.
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Okay? So the the the first item on the Weekly Practicalities list was, Check your pantry and your fridge and your freezer, and we’re checking for items that are close to or past their use by date.
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We’re checking items that you meant to use last week.
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But some reason didn’t. We’re checking for items that you always have to throw away because you had good intentions when you bought them.
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But you never followed through. I know I’m not the only person who does that.
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Mine is some fresh, flat-life parsley every week, almost.
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I get that because I think I’m gonna do something great with that.
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But I never do wilts in the bottom of my fridge, so I need a note on the top of my shopping list that says, Don’t buy fresh flat leaf, partly.
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And then you want to be looking for items that you know can be incorporated in this week’s meal plan.
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So get anything you can still use for this week’s meals out of the fridge, out of the pantry, out of the freezer.
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Put them on the bench and get everything ready for the next step.
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It’s also a really really good time to quickly wipe out the shelves in the fridge and the drawers again.
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Okay. Now, some of you are going to read the title of this slide.
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Make a meal plan, and mentally check out, or think she has no idea how busy I am, and to you I would say, if you don’t have time to make a meal plan and do some food, prep.
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You are exactly the person who needs to make a meal plan and do some food.
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Prep. Because when you insist on making every meal from scratch, you are waiting your precious time and energy just by getting things out and putting them away again, over and over for each meal, now I’ve actually tested this, and I have much more time and my meal choices are healthier and I
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save money when I meal, prep, and meal plan, and I know it will be the same for you.
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There will be some people just walking at this now, but if you can just leave the door open a little crack, for the thought of meal prep.
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And food, planning. You will thank me at some point. You just plant a little saving your mind and just watch it grow.
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Now people who are low on time, money and health need a meal plan.
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It doesn’t need to be offensive meal plan.
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It just needs to be a meal plan for the week for meals.
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Yeah, take a look at the things you got out in the previous step on, and you put on the bench and see if you can remember what you got them for.
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Originally I always have trouble with that. Have a think about what you can do with them, so that you can use them this week and not waste them.
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Remember part of this process is plugging any spending leaks that we’ve got, and then I want you to consider doubling up some meals or doing some back cooking.
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So we’re doubling up, whatever you’re cooking for dinner.
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Make extras, so you’ve got the same meal the following day for lunch.
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Now in my sample plan here you can see that I’ve done that with the chicken.
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Stir, fry, and with the beef and mushroom soup I’m having it for dinner one night, and I’ve got it for lunch the following day, and then, with the batch cooking.
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This just means cooking something that can be used over quite a number of meals.
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You can patch, cook your veggies, you can back to cook your meat in my example.
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Here. I’ve batched a lamb curry.
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I made that last week, and it was gorgeous, and that can also be frozen in portions so that you’ve got a lot of different portions of it in your freezer.
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You can batch cook soups and healthy dressings and sources, and this will just make your life so much easier when you can go to the refrigerator and you’ve got things already done, and there is nothing wrong with having the same meal for breakfast each day for a week you don’t
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need to get fancy for every meal, and if you want to get fancy for every meal, knock yourselves out. But you don’t need to.
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I’m lazy in the kitchen. I do the bare minimum, but I’ll make sure I eat. Really.
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Well, so on my example. Here I’ve got a smoothie everyday.
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You can get all your smoothie ingredients, pop them in individual containers, keep them in the freezer until the night before, when they can defrost in the fridge overnight, and then be ready to go in the blender and then pour it into the shaker before you head out the door, and then you’ve got a portable
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breakfast if you’re in a hurry and pull in time now, often it’s great just not having to make all the decisions on the run like you just get to lunchtime. And you’re like, oh, what am I gonna eat because previous you has already thought that through you can just do it all on autopilot.
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Now, once you’ve got your meal plan written up, you create your shopping lists from your meal plan.
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Now remember to add quantities to your shopping list. I’ve been called out with this piece of times.
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The more detail you knock out here, the more efficient it all becomes.
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So if you need 2 cans of tomatoes for casserole, you don’t put that on your shopping list.
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You’ll probably just come home with one and then you need to get back.
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And I wanna do that. The other little T that I’ve got here is to make a separate shopping list for every shop you’re purchasing from supermarket a bulk bookshel, or online, or to have separate columns on your one page shopping list for different shops it
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just makes everything so much clearer and smoother when you’re in the store.
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And then I want you to think about limiting the number of shopping trips you do each week I go to the shops once or twice a week, and I recommend to do the same.
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You do need to be organized to do this, but it’s worth it, because it limits your exposure to hyper palatable foods, and the temptation to snack on them rather than eating a healthy meal is diminished.
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Email before you go shopping. It’s really that simple and everybody’s heard this one before.
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But it’s very effective. A lot of people will skip over advice like this because it seems too good to be true or too easy.
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But don’t discount the easy stuff.
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And then prepare as much as you can. When you get your shopping home.
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So your next step is doing that. You get it all home and before you put anything away you start prepping things.
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Wash and chop your veggies, put them in containers in the fridge, ready for meals, and then cook them if if you know, they’ll keep well.
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Take another look at your meal, plan and prepare anything.
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You can, in fact, use or in advance put a slow cooking protein in the oven.
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The slow cooker or pressure cooker to add to lunches or dinners, or get a big casserole underway.
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And you can make large fratarsa for breakfast and keep it in portions in the freezer that chop some smoothie ingredients, keep them in the freezer, or you can make some salad dressings in jars and keep them in the fridge.
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Now, I allow, 2 h a week for this part, and it is ample time.
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I don’t count. Say, for example, I put a brisket in the oven for maybe 7 or 8 h.
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I don’t count that whole 7 or 8 h, because I don’t need to babysit at the whole time.
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Basically, I just season it and put it in there and then I can leave it alone and let it do its thing for 7 or 8 h.
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So I don’t count that as a 7 or 8 h cook.
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And then I’ve got a few little extra health saving cost savings, savings.
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Start every decision around food with the cost to your health. At the very front of your mind.
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There is no point in having time and money if you don’t have your health, those of you who who have troubles with their health at the moment you know I’m speaking the truth here can see that anyiating or joining a community joining a community purchase group now, if i’ve
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got time. I’m gonna speak more about that. If I don’t have time to speak more about that on the next slide, ask me about it in the questions at the end, and I can.
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I can talk to the days about it now, when you’re preparing the meal you’re about to eat.
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Consider preparing part of your next meal. At the same time.
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Now that could be as simple as getting a smoothie ingredients out of the freezer for the morning, while you’re getting dinner ready.
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Just a thought. Just think about a thought towards your next meal, and this is a big one.
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A massive one. Ask the people you live with to not sabotage you with foods that don’t support your health.
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Goals, and also ask them to help you not sabotage yourself.
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Hopefully that makes sense I won’t bang on that anymore.
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This is my little slide about community purchase groups. I don’t really have very much time to go through it all.
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I don’t think, but if anybody wants to know about it, you can just ask at the end of this, and I’ll go through the slide.
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The information that I’ve got here for it.
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And the whole point of this is to make food easy and delicious.
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So that you can get on with your beautiful life right now.
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This is the way to do it. If you’re sick of losing your mind over food, put some time and effort into the way this can work for you so that it doesn’t become a drag.
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And now I just wanna leave you with this quote so that your focus is on empowerment rather than restriction used correctly.
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A budget doesn’t restrict you. It empowers you.
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Thank you for your attention, and I look forward to any questions you might have in the.
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Thank you so much, Kimmy.
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You are very welcome.
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That that was terrific.
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Yes.
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Can you stop my sharing? Thank you.
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We can see the bubbles alright.
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So we’ve got a few questions pop up, and we’ll leave those for the end of this session.
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Just a quick reminder that we are recording tonight. So for anyone that does have to leave early, that will be recorded and sent out.
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And now we’re going to hand our virtual lovely Susan Butcher for her presentation.
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And again any questions as they come up, feel free to pop them into the box and keep me and Susan will be going through at the end.
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Okay, thank you guys, I just don’t know if I can beat that one of Kimmy’s.
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It was just an amazing presentation. Good! We’ll see how we got it.
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She’s too good. So much with them.
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Okay. Well, I hope she’s up.
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Yep.
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It will give me the thumbs up if I’ve got a wrap on the screen.
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Thumbs up!
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Beautiful. Okay, so Hi, everyone. And what an amazing talk can you done on nutrition?
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So that was very great to hear all about that, and there was even stuff in there that I picked up.
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That would be really interesting to ask some questions about at the end, as well.
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But anyway, tonight, my turn now to have a bit of a chat, and I’ll probably go more down the path of the exercise side.
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So it’s a big topic. And also the equipment.
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So we know that it’s quite expensive when we’re talking about our exercising programs and what we can do.
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But we can limit a lot of that and be very effective in utilizing some of the tools.
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So let’s go through a bit and see some of the discussions that we could have around some of the equipment.
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And we’re not. We’re going to have a meltdown.
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Oh, just go back out of this!
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Guys.
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Sometimes it just wants to be.
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A little bit tricky.
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Okay, so disclosures. I am a lymphedema therapist, and the exercises that we’re shown.
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Please don’t start any exercise program without conferring with a personal train.
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Er, or an exercise physiologist. I’ve had 20 years in the slides that I’m presenting more around what I’ve done, and also what I’ve seen with patients.
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And encouraged patients to do being a hi shit myself.
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Okay, so out comes from this presentation. I just want to highlight some of the positive outcomes by implementing a conservative exercise management program.
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That’s really important. We can all achieve really great things from just being conscious of getting out there and moving, no matter what stage or type you currently are.
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I see so many patients coming into the clinic that are at Stage 3, and at stage one, and we can all achieve some form of exercise and movement.
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For those health professionals watching just to implement ways. Your patients can utilize tools and techniques in managing the lipoedema.
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So you would be the teachers for the the lipoedema patient coming in, and can be a big support network for those.
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Let’s start off with some of the more simple ones which phone rolling.
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So I do this most days. I get a lot of relief because it’s actually working with that fascia, and that at a post tissue.
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Now I know there’s gonna be people here saying, Well, this is so payable I can’t bear to have a phone roller or any type of product anywhere near my skin.
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But you can form a barrier. You can wrap the tail around the farm roller, or you can use your own body weight.
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You don’t have to lie on the full like the athletes do, and and start foam rolling all the cars in the quads. Place it up next to the wall, and just use your own body weight with the towel, or with trousers, or tracksuits on just to form enough
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pressure. It only needs slight movement. We don’t have to be damaging tissue.
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It’s just the fact that you’re actually putting something over that adiposed tissue that set that the loose connective tissue that would help stop the progression.
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No!
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So you can sometimes really get a lot of benefits. And, as I said in the last piece, there, the floor, the chair cool.
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This is just the video I’ve started here. We’ve got one of our patients that really ran with this idea.
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And she does a 100 phone roles all each leg every day.
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And she said that made such a difference. So what we did is what you can see.
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There’s a rolling PIN sitting inside the foam roller, and we’ve actually put a tea in there to secure it in place.
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So, yeah, there’s so much you can do. And you could see it sitting on the chair.
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So there’s no screen to her body, and she got a lot of benefit from just doing that procedure in this one.
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We’re talking about copying. So with the cupping, it’s just another form.
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It could be done if it was shown by hope, professional how to do.
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There’s no reason why cupping can’t be utilized by the patients at home.
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There’s no real godelines around not being able to use it.
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You just need to just be mindful what you’re doing.
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The reason what I’m doing here is I’m actually using it around the growing area.
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So this is sort of the growing upper side area of a patient, because this is where that lipoedema tissues tends to start, and if we can help right down, and lift up some of that adiposed tissue in this area, then you’re allowing those lymphatic to move through so
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that’s what I’m actually trying to achieve. I’m trying to just lift up some of the tissue and the fascia, and at the same time that’s allowing movement through those lymphatic and hopefully, in those earlier stages pervading or slowing down the
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process of the at a post tissue building up.
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Now low impact extra training. What I wanted to explain here is, well, low impact means that it’s an exercise that don’t put strain or weight through your muscles and joints while exercising.
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That’s why we call it a low impact. It probably looks a bit like this is me here in the images.
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It probably looks like I’ve had a hard day at the clinic, and I’m just about ready to give up in the second one.
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But it’s actually doing a hamstring stretch.
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So I wanted to emphasize here that no matter what stage you’re at, you can do some kind of exercise in these chair exercises can be done at your own pace and own level, and is very very successful, and we know quads and Hamstrings are very much affected, with the conditions.
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That we all have swimming acroid classes. Yoga.
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Pilates, cycling. They’re all great exercises to that low impact.
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Ideally as a starting point for those just starting their exercise journey, or requiring confidence.
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Before progressing into a stage higher or more higher impact training.
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So very much worthwhile looking at to do these, and I can help you more with some more suggestions or more exercises.
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If anybody requires a little bit more of a pipe or exercise program.
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So in this one we’ve got one of my finding she gets a lot of relief from the exercise bike.
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A lot of this time we can’t do treadmills.
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We can’t walk or run that seems to really affect that loose connective tissue where things tend to wobble around and get quite painful.
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I’ve also put the chair on him, because it might be some people here saying, Well, I can’t get up on one of those exercise bikes like that.
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But you could sit down on these now. Another thing everyone’s saying is, well, these are probably worth thousands of dollars.
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A lot of these equipment you can find in Kmart.
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Big W. More. Those more cheaper chains where you can pick up an exercise box of seeing them in there for 80 and $90, which are quite suitable just for that home use effect.
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So don’t dismiss the exercises but because it is low impact.
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But it’s also a very effective tool in moving those lymphatic in supporting that tissue.
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Before we get into the the resistant training, which is, that’s where I’m really passionate about this and been doing a lot of work in this space or lipoedema is, we’ve gotta probably understand a little bit on why we or why aren’t suggesting to do resistor training why is
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that a benefit for a like a patient. So we know, lipoedema, is a disease of fibromyalgia, at a post tissue it may lead on the lower abdomen hips.
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But so with this loose connecting tissue, we have an extra seller on matrix of 5 is collagen and last team.
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And that’s what I’ve got the arrow now, going up to and we’ve all seen this thing where we’re have hypermobile.
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This is where this last thing has come into the tissue, so it makes us very flexible to be able to do different things, and when we access fluid is present inside the loose connective tissue, which is in the slide below in a it comes allowing more fluid to come
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and especially this is seen in like a loopymer, and the excess fluid limit cells.
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Access to oxygen, resulting in hypothia, inflammation, and fibrosis.
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So, just in Lyman terms, basically, what’s happening is you can see where the arrow is.
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This is the loose connective tissue space. This is where the fluid can get in, but also as that area around with a little star, Black Star area is in the bottom.
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This actually can build up. And this is where we get that like that cauliflower appearance, all the lumpy mattress that was sometimes called, and that builds up on one another.
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And that’s that space. All starts getting bigger and more.
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Condense. Then that’s when that fluid is starting to really have trouble getting through.
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So this will help with the next slides, and we start going into why we do or why I believe we should be doing resistant training.
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So the benefits to do resistance training is increasing. Muscle, tone.
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So the reason around muscle tone is muscle. Tone is better in the body than it is to have fat in the body, and if we can do resistant training, that’s turning that must.
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That fat component to more a muscle component, and if muscle component is heavier in the body, then we actually can move a lot more fluid through with the fact component is really like a sponge, it’s soaking up that fluid and I’m not allowing our lynx to function.
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Properly. It also helps decrease our pain. We might have pain in those initial stages, and, believe me, this is me.
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Down the bottom, and if you ever heard that impression of after you’ve done a heavy workout, and you can’t even go to the bathroom and get off, it’s all at seat.
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That would be me. After having a heavy workout. So yes, we do experience a lot of discomfort when we do these exercises, but the benefits far outweigh that initial period of the discomfort when we first start these programs.
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But also little baby steps. You’re not gonna go and spend an hour at the gym because you won’t move for a week afterwards.
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So that’s where you need this guidance from a sports trainer or exercise physiologist that they must understand like a demon, because there’s millions of them out there.
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But if they don’t understand how this works, then they’re just gonna stick you on the treadmills and start putting you out there and doing cardiovascular type work, which is not the answer.
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I believe for us, like the other thing, too, is where I’ve got the styles.
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Stop why yourself? It doesn’t help, because we are fluid rebounds and become so conjaled in our body.
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One day I can put myself on the scale. 3 or 4 days later.
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I can be 2 kilos heavier, or one kilo lighter.
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So it’s not consistent for us and all you have to do is just put yourself on this road or this path of really getting yourself down, because the scales are not showing you what you wanna see.
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For what you’re putting in so ditch the scales and set yourself apple time to be able to do these programs as well, and don’t make excuses.
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Just make the plan a bit like what Kim is saying about the nutrition side.
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Just make it goals. Mike, your plane and then stick to the plane.
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I would always suggest to wear compression garments while exercising that helps with the lactic acid.
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And also, if you’re doing the exercise, the link that is starting to move through, you’ve got that loose connective tissue and that starting to get a little bit angry and tight, so the garments will really help settle that down and help move those lymphatic and
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the fluid through a lot better.
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So these are some of the exercises I’ve done.
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I know there’s probably people saying now. Well, I can’t afford to go to the gym.
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You don’t have to be a gym junkie.
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There’s so many things at home you can utilize.
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When I started out I was using a bucket with sand in it.
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I was using dog food cans, anything that you can start off with in those early stages.
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But now, as I said again, these big retail chains have got every apparatus known to mankind.
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You can go in and buy him whites for around $10.
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These bar press, machines go in and get. It’s not an expensive exercise but don’t dismiss the gym environment.
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I’m not saying to go to the big body the oldest gym I use the firmware gym, so it’s very friendly.
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We have all women of all shapes and sizes, and all cultures, nationalities.
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There. It is a very friendly, and sometimes it’s worth being in that environment.
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Just so you can see that you’re not alone, and you’re not the only person there that isn’t, you know, looking like a stick figure.
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So please keep that in mind as well.
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Compression and non compression. So we’ve got 2 stages here.
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This is actually image of me here on the left, so I’m in the full custom-made garments. I find them.
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I wear these on a daily basis again. I don’t train them, because I just find that they are thick, but they’ve very contained.
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They actually make me look good with having those nice curves.
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And I actually even look as I’ve got a bit of a farm lift.
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If I wasn’t in them I’d look totally different.
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On the right hand side. We’ve got another garment which is not non compression, but it still works.
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You can see with the it’s down below. It leaves this pattern.
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So this gives you that I like a checker plate.
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We pattern that helps soften the tissue and moves lymphatically up. And the beauty of these garments.
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Are they great to utilize for the gym, because you’ve got something that just looks like a pair of leggings rather than the more medical grade garments that you just wear of Dylie use.
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And but also you can utilize those these, for under pumps, or wear them just underneath your clothing.
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If you’ve got a nice, long, flowing top, you can just put a pair of black ones underneath, and we’re just like the lady in the image has done, and she wears her whole set like this, and she’s about 128 kilo now she’s dropped
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a lot in her lipoedema Journey as well.
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This is a bit of a hot topic massage you know, being a remedial massage therapist myself, I’ve heard all the comments that are coming out, and it’s a conversation that a lot of lipoedema therapists are having and also a lot of health professionals around manual lymphatic massage
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versus traditional massage. So here we’ve got the case of, and I see on some of the lipoedema side, where the the consumers will say some of the ladies are had a great manual lymphatic drainage.
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But it only lasted 24 h, and someone else said, Well, it didn’t work for them, so you know, we could be here for a week discussing this topic.
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But what I’d like to show you in the next image here, we’ve got this.
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So this component here is 2 different types of like the data structure.
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So on the left hand side we’ve got the patient, so if there’s fluid and tractor within the out of post tissue, MLD could be beneficial and moving forward through the tissue space, so, keeping in mind, we still need to reduce the build up of that
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a post, loose connective tissue with more traditional massage.
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So. Yes, she would benefit from manual lymphatic massage but she’s also gonna benefit from having a more traditional massage as well.
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And this is where it gets really tricky with therapists when they managing these patients, and some are doing MLD.
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Some, aren’t they? Vice versa? But on the right hand side we’ve got I call a more appealing.
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That means that there is no fluid really in the system, except for what’s actually in the tissue, which we all need to have fluid.
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The Ldx ratings those are readings we’ve got here is showing that the more traditional massage is in that perfect room.
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So anywhere in that grain, this P. Really isn’t showing any signs of excess fluid where, on the left hand side, we’ve got a really high volume.
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There of fluid, so that fluid has to be removed, and in the middle there, I’ve got just the image you’re probably wondering what the ball the wall is with the water.
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If you had mattered wall, and this is what I sort of say to the patients.
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And you pulled water over the top. That water really isn’t gonna impregnate.
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The wall. It’s just gonna flow out around the top.
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And this is what happens when we’ve got that fibrotic set facts at a post tissue happening.
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It’s very, very hot to get those lymphatic fluid moving through.
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So that’s where you’d be looking at a more traditional style.
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Massage to make that happen.
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So this is my image now of my technique on how I release that more fibrotic tissue with a more traditional massage, and everyone’s probably thinking, oh, my God!
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I couldn’t ever have anyone touch my leg like this.
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But this is the patient that’s got at a post tissue down to the knee, and it is not evasive.
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It looks worse than what it is, but this is the style we need for mostly epidemis to be able to help assist with breaking up some of this tissue, even without Mld treatments.
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And now massage techniques after Hi surgery we very rarely do heaps of manual lymphatic massage.
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We’re still in there trying to find all that beating, all that mattress appearance in the cauliflower. Look!
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And just really breaking it up with our fingers. And this is a great technique that I’ve told all my therapists.
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And it’s really working well to achieve the results that we want.
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For our patients, so don’t dismiss having something like this done, rather than your small mld style. Treatment.
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Sequential, and you made it compression, pumps.
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So we’ve seen this on the site as well.
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I believe there’d be a lot of like the demons out there with their own home pump here we’ve got the Lx.
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- Here in the center and also at the clinic.
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We’ve got the blue suits, which is the more advanced.
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So that’s a night chamber going up to the chest in the more the grays, the more traditional ones that they use, but hopping up here, he’s my question to use.
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lipoedema, or not to use the so my opinion on this as a lymphedema therapist, and also having, like a demon myself, is, if you have fluid within the tissue, like we showed you in the last 2 slides, where the as I reading is showing a high
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level of fluid. Yes, condense that down by using a pump to get that superficial fluid out.
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This is what we do, and then we start the program with that style of massage.
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If you were the person that was on the right hand side, and you don’t have any fluid.
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Really, it’s only just normal bodily fluid. I wouldn’t particularly put them into a number of pump.
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Then you would just start your traditional massage Treatments.
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The pumps are great for removing fluid. They’re not designed to be working on a limb that doesn’t have fluid, and that’s only my case.
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The companies that produce these pumps might have different opinions.
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But, as Katie said, it’s a marketing industry, and they’re promoting to all different kinds of consumers.
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So my opinion was, no, I wouldn’t use it if there was no evidence of fluid from as those are reading, and yes, I do use them.
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If there was fluid.
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The chain machine and vibration plates, there’s no I’ve sort of looked around.
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I could only really find some research papers around the which you can see.
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At the bottom was 2,007. It was done by Professor Pillar in Flinders University.
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But other than that, there’s not a real lot of evidence, and, as we know, with a lot of things that has been challenging enough to get it out to health professionals and the community to even know that lipoedema exist let alone always other apparatuses that are coming out on
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the market, claiming to work for like Jima. But it’s a good thing everyone’s probably got one as well.
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They’re really quite cheap to buy these vibration plates, which is on the left.
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So it’s a good topic to have a talk about.
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Again using myself as the model. Now the vibration plate.
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It was more designed for that lactic acid around sports people.
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So once you’ve done a workout, you go and jump on your vibration flight, and it wobbles, and that helps move that it through.
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And lactic acid. It was never really designed for the like a demon market that someone decided to run with it.
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And then everyone’s got on the bandwagon.
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So what I’ve developed with it that I found most of it is don’t stand on because it’s just too much.
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You imagine we’ve got this tissue?
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That is so big we’re trying to get lymphatic to move through.
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But we’re not gonna get a move through by standing on something and trying to get the thinking that the lymphatic are gonna go up through with just wobbling by standing as well as a lot of people are onstable.
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If you’re the one you’ve got doesn’t have supports, then you’re at risk of doing some injuries and having a fall.
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Now, the first one I’ve got is the buttock and the hips.
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So if you’re doing a bit of a program, I would suggest doing the buttock and the hips first, because we’re working medial to distal and it’s the same theory.
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If you’re a lymphedema therapist working with lipoedema patients all with lipoedema, if we start breaking up, what’s happening down at the ankle first, we’ve got a long journey before we can get those lymphatic back up to the
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chest area, so sit on it, break up some of that tissue that will have in our glute area and through the hips.
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You will actually, when you find it stops, you’ll find that your bum will be really itchy.
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Your hips will be itchy, and that’s always lymphatic.
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Just trying to move through. And also you’re breaking up the stack that the loose connective tissue component as well.
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So start with your body and then work to you. So you’re doing your hamstring and the size up above the knee, and then finishing off by relaxing and using your calves.
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And if you’re really keen I didn’t put the image in, you can turn over, put some pillows down and light on the pillows on your tummy, and start working the quad in the around that front area.
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The body as well. And that’s a really effective way of using a vibration plate.
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If you’ve got one in the home.
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So for me the take home message, for everyone is, look after your whole self, not just your legs or arms.
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Educate and power yourself. Be your biggest health, advocate, educate family friends, and colleagues, choose the right medical and Allied health team to support you.
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That is crucial be around others who lift you up and encourage you with your goals, have realistic expectations.
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We all are different, and no 2 results will ever be the same, and leave your best life. Don’t give up.
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Now, I just wanna run through this short video. It’s only 30 s, but it’ll just show you the beautiful space in which I’m very privileged to work in.
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Does that have audio?
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All right, that’s okay. Yeah, we can still get an idea. Yeah.
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Yeah, probably right show. But anyway, simple music? Yes. Yeah.
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And I’m finishing. I just like to thank everyone for participating.
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It’s been. It sounds like a very well received webinar, and I’d also really like to thank Chris and his team putting this on and giving him and myself the opportunity to support or you lipoedema patients out there.
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Thank you.
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Thank you. Sorry. My apologies. Thank you. Saving really great.
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So we’ve got quite a few questions coming in. So we’ll start the first up.
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Dr. Lekich. We have a just a couple of questions for you, and then we’ll go.
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Yep.
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Do you mind if I just make a couple of comments and thank you.
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So before I launch in, I’ve really from the bottom of my heart I’d like to thank Sue and Kimmy, because, you know, huge amount of information.
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Obviously free access, raising awareness to share that with.
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Might might be dropping out there. Chris.
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Can you hear me?
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Yes, now we’ve got you.
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Just give. Just we’ll just give a couple of give you a few moments and see if Dr. Lekich
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Yeah, okay, we can hear you now. Yep.
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Can you hear me? Now? Okay, yeah, sorry about that. So, so from the bottom of my heart and that of every participant, I’m sure a big thank you to Sue and Kimi, who have given up their time and and pretty much for a majority of the audience of nailed things that they can do from
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a self-help point of view, without any cost.
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They will certainly be patients who are far more affected for Sue’s space flat-nat compressions are so important for patients who are having surgery, they are so important.
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Unfortunately, the cost is what it is, and for Kimi there are patients with resistance who can get some very significant fine tuning for their own metabolism.
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I just like to say Kimi apologies. I’ve worked very.
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I’m working very hard with my own hospital management team to make sure that we remove a lot of the Comfort food post surgery, and we’re doing good.
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Keto foods. So apologies there, and and in my last medical advisory committee I’ve tackled my own team to ship out, ship up and and and work that food program to a as for Sue, so there’s good resistance training that I’ve just
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Hmm!
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discovered from a patient for underwater cycling, and I’m a cyclist at heart, and and I think there are some services that are popping up, and someone sent a link to us.
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So thank you very much from the bottom my heart, and to you, Emily, and any questions.
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Now, Emily, I’ll happy to answer very quickly.
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Yeah? Good question. It’s very different to secondary obesity.
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All of those miss informations you’ve got from doctors and specialists and people.
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Pt, it’s disease fat. It’s on history.
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It’s very clear, and the examination is very specific and doesn’t budge with exercise or det, no matter what you take pills, potions powder is kimmy.
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We’ll relate to this drugs that you can take doesn’t work.
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All the exercising in the world, and even weight, loss.
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Surgery doesn’t work so it’d be very differently.
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It’s painful. And there are all these triggers that are hormonal as well.
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Great. All right. So first question, how do I know if I have Yup?
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Okay, thank you. Second question, should we reduce white training leading up to surgery?
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It’s good question, and the reality is, I would say, no per se.
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But if you’re doing it to try and lose weight, forget it, and if you’ve got a significant lipoedema, and on top of that, with the white burden that you’ve got in your legs, or even your arms on top of that, you’ll have some hyper mobility, issues, you
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Hmm!
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are at high risk of causing yourself an injury so I would advise against flogging yourself, because an injury can lead to significant problems.
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So yes, get your muscles nice and big in your calves.
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So when we do surgery if we do surgery, you’ll see them.
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But don’t do it thinking you’re gonna beat your lipoedema through it.
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Okay, great. And that’s ties in with the third.
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And the last question for you. How soon after surgery can I return to white training?
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Yeah, look when you’re feeling comfortable, we usually say about 2 weeks recovery.
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I have patients, so that one of my patients, in fact, one of my doctors, wives, had surgery with me, and within a week she was running 10 kilometers a day for the life of me.
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Wow!
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I can’t imagine why you wouldn’t want to run at all and run 10 kilometers a day.
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That was over the top. It varies between patients, and I would say, when you’re comfortable, your heads nice and clear, and and you have an overloaded your body with a recovery.
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So after 2 to 4 or 6 weeks.
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Okay, great. Well, thank you. Dr. Lekich, for joining us.
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Thank you, Emily. Thank you all lovely to have joined you.
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Hey! Chris!
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Thanks.
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Session. Thank you to me, Ken. Thank you, sir.
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Thank you. Okay. And just before we read out some questions for you, Kim, I just wanted to do a quick reminder.
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There was a couple of questions asking for recommendations, and just a quick note that on our website, lipoedemasurgicalsolution.com
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There is. If you just click on, get support, we have an online support register that lists Susan’s on. There.
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Kim is on there really fantastic resources, therapists.
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Yeah, everything like that for ways you could maybe access anyone.
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That’s knowledgeable for like Demo, and how to help.
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Bye!
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Yeah. Alright great. So let’s do some questions for you.
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Kimi first. So first up, we have a request to please go through the community groups that you mentioned.
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That’s right, should should we try to share my screen again?
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Okay, well, I try to remember how to do it.
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Yes, I was just thinking that so right we can do it all right. So I’m gonna stop my screen share.
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Alright!
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Now we can see your lovely face.
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And then I’m going to stop my screen share. And now you can see the bubbles alright.
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Yes.
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Now do that one. Can you say that?
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Yeah, we did it.
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Okay, alright. So community purchase groups. The idea for a community purchase group is to have a little local group of people, neighbors, friends, family moms at school, where everybody takes turns in going to a larger food market to buy things in bulk.
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So I did this in Sydney when our kids were really little, and we were short on money and short on time as well.
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So I got together a little group of moms from the school, and 2 of our neighbors as well.
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We had about. I think we had like 8 or 9 people in the group, and we took turns in going to Flemington markets once a week.
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Now Flemington markets is like the big Central market where you know all the fruit and veggie shop goes that they, the owners, go to the to those Flemington markets and get or order at least their produce to sell their Stores.
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So you can get big boxes of things the cheaper, and so we would go there once a week.
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We bought veggies, fruits, meat in bulk, and then we took it back to if I was buying, then I would bring it all back to my place, and then everybody would come over and help to package it up and divide.
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It all into boxes, and then we share the costs, including the costs of getting to the market cause.
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There’s a fee to get in, and it was so nice.
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Now, obviously there are some logistics to doing this, but you can make it as complex, or as simple as you like.
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What we just did it all really simple. We did cheap things.
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And yeah, so the points are, you can promote healthy food choices, especially if you use places that sell fresh food items for other than packaged items.
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Because there are some bulk places you can go to.
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That has just lots of packaged things I don’t like.
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That’s not what I’m talking about here. Time and time and money, because you take turns in buying so that everybody gets some weeks off, and the cost is split amongst the group builds community and social connection.
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And that’s a well-established, happy strategy, particularly if you found yourself withdrawing socially a lot of us do that improves mental health when packing the boxes.
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Everybody would pitch in, and you get to talk about all the things and get and give some support and friendship in that setting which was really lovely.
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And we did a lot of swapping, of recipe.
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Ideas, especially great for people who feel as though they’re stuck in a right with food, or they don’t feel like they have any creativity.
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It’s lovely, having some exposure to other ideas and even other cultural ideas.
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When it comes to meals and food. Yeah, so I, if you can think of how you might be able to make that work, I would strongly encourage it.
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It’s fantastic. I just loved it so much. Let me now let me just I’ll leak out of this.
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That sounds amazing.
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Now, can you stop my screen? Much sharing?
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Yes, I can stop your sharing. Okay? Well, we’ll move on to the next question.
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So!
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I’ll just say a quick note as well. We do have quite a few more questions coming through so if we don’t get to it tonight, we will mention where you can reach out to Kimi Cat, and Susan Butcher directly believe that contact details for you and of course you can always message Lipoedema Surgical Solution
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and walk with freedom directly, and we can put you in touch as well.
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Alright, but we’ll do our best to get through as many as possible.
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So? Next question, how do you know how much protein a food item has?
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Is there a list? We can look up?
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, I don’t know at all in my head, but I’m just gonna get my phone out and I’m gonna show you an app.
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It’s called chronometer. So get your pen and paper.
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Cr o n o m, e t e r, and get the free version.
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You don’t need to get the paid one doesn’t do anything extra.
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That you’re interested in or on I’m not even interested in it.
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And then you get in there, and it’s a record of all the major food databases around the world.
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The one that you are most interested in is the N.
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Ccdb. That’s the data about that’s the most accurate.
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And that’s the list. You can type and get in there like you don’t need to set up your macros or anything.
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If you don’t want to just get the app, get in there.
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I start playing and poking around won’t break anything, so don’t worry about that.
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And just have a look. Just notice how much protein is in those foods.
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And you’ll be able to see. And it even so.
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The Nc. dB. Database breaks it down into all the amino acids as well.
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So, how much of each amino acids, and leucine is the tipping point with muscle synthesis?
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So that’s the one that you’re looking at.
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Yes, it’s a fantastic app. I use it all the time, and I tell everybody else to use it as well.
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I use color as well. Yeah, it’s great. Okay?
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Next one. What do you do instead of batch cooking when you’re away on holidays?
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Yeah. Yes. So when you’re away on holidays, I would just remember.
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Well, if you’re away on holidays, as far as budgeting goes, if it’s it’s just a budgeting question.
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I imagine maybe not.
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Oh, yeah, there’s no there isn’t any other anything else to the question. Sometimes on holidays you just don’t have the cooking facilities.
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Yeah.
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That’s true. And so you know what? When on wait on holidays, or even if I go out to restaurant, I or anywhere, I don’t worry too much about my volume of foods right?
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I just focus on sticking to my food list. And that’s that’s where I make my compromise.
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Now, if I ate out every day of the week, or if I was on holidays for 3 months, I would be making arrangements to have facilities where I could be a little bit more deliberate about my foods.
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But if you’re just talking about a short holiday like we just, we had a holiday visited my son in London at the end of last year, which was just gorgeous and I didn’t worry about the volume of food that I was eating.
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I just made sure that I only ate from my food list, and it wasn’t hard, because it’s a massive food list.
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So, yeah, that’s what I do. That’s what I recommend. Everybody do.
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Yes.
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Don’t lose your mind over food. Go to a restaurant and take your scales with you, and your little cups and spoon measurements.
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Don’t do that. No!
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Done. Everything. Yeah, okay, what goes into your smoothie? And can we have the recipes for some of the meals?
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You suggested. Please.
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What goes into my smoothies so for the protein portion I use a mixture of collagen and egg, white powder, so that way I get all like the full range of amino acids.
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Sometimes I might add, in a little bit of leucine.
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If so, I’ve got leucine powder, and I might add that in as well.
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If I’m training, if or if it’s a smoothie that I’m having after I’ve done some weight lifting, I’ll put in there, and these are the ingredients that people are more interested in.
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Probably avocado coconut cream. What else do I normally put in cacao, powder or cinnamon, one or the other, and just some awesome, some water, and then I just work that up.
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Okay, great. I think you’ve also shared a recipe with us before in the news that we might have to reshare that some of your sweetie recipes.
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Yeah.
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Maybe. Yeah, I don’t really. I normally put a recipe in in the newsletter that I give out but I think I’ve given you a few recipes as well.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, everyone wants the smoothie recipes. So the next question was, how do you put protein powder in your brickies, movies?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So the protein powder would be the collagen and egg white protein combination, so that you get the full range of amino acids cause we’re not actually eating for protein.
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Yeah.
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I know, I went on and on about protein. But what we’re actually eating for is amino acids so that we can build our. That’s why I’ll be eating it.
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Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Can we have some suggestions of the cheaper, unusual meats and cuts to look for the meat market?
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Oh, yes, can, because of when I went there a couple of weeks ago, I took pictures.
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Of the cuts.
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Oh, my, my phone doesn’t recognize my face. Oh, yes, it does.
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Okay. So the brisket that’s a very cheap cut.
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Actually at the moment at the meeting Emporium and Alexandria. They’ve got a special on for 1299 a kilo, which is pretty good price proportion.
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When you push, and all of that out. That’s gonna be good.
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A chuck, roast skirt steak, which it the one that I bought was an intrana.
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Never heard of that before, and I wrecked it.
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I completely wrecked it. I put it on the barbecue, and then it would.
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It was tough, and so then I made it into a I put it into the pressure cooker and I made it into a a pressure cool car.
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Like a stew, and you wouldn’t have even known it was the same kind of meat, because, gosh!
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It was awful what I did to. In the first place.
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So Daniel, if you reckon me either, because sometimes it can be salvaged.
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Lamb belly. That’s a really good fatty cut of meat.
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You just have to be careful to not put it on the barbecue, because we did set our barbecue on fire.
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One night cooking a lamb belly on there. So we won’t do that again.
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But it’s great in the oven lamb, Nick, that’s another very reasonable cut.
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Oh, this might gross a few people out if they’re not meat eaters, but intercostals.
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The meet in between the ribs. That is a really good cut of meat for flavor, but also for collagen and it’s a collagen rich meat, and some of the meats are very rich in collagen and good for a casserole very good for
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casserole, flank all I once got a whole try Tip, and then cut that into steak.
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That made it really really economical for portion savings, like, because you don’t need to eat the entire steak.
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Sometimes my husband and I will share a steak, because, like we have, we only need to eat a certain amount of protein.
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You don’t need to eat massive amounts, so we’ll often get a piece of steak I’ll have a small piece of it my husband will have the rest of it.
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He’s protein. Requirements are higher than mine.
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But we don’t need to get 2 massive stakes, because I don’t need that much meat chuck tender, and a beef chuck.
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Oh! And a Boston pork butt! It’s not actually the bottom of the pork.
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It’s the shoulder I don’t even know why they call it the Butt.
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But anyway, yes, they’re the ones that I took pictures of.
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Well, that’s some really fantastic suggestions. We have an art from our lovely marketing manager, Sarah, to say Thank you for the yummy smoothie recipe.
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Oh, good! Good! Good! Welcome!
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So then the next question was I don’t like red meat and pork, and I’m sick of chicken, so what can I do to increase my protein without getting bored, there was a few suggestions there in your previous answer.
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Hmm!
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Yeah, so you can look at different ways of cooking things.
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So sometimes people get sick of me because they can’t think of any other way to cook it.
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Aside from making a steak, or just stir, frying some beef. Ms.
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Or any kind of means, but you can look at things like stir fries or sl cooking.
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You can use a pressure cooker if you’ve got one.
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Sometimes you can use some spices to make things feel a little bit different, or seem a little bit different.
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I love lifting any mail with fresh herbs. That’s my number one.
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Go to is fresh. Herbs and spices and lemons zest as well.
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It’s fantastic. So you can use things like that.
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But the other thing, too, is that you didn’t mention anything about seafood in that question.
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Yes, that was the next one. Yeah.
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So, yeah, the entire ocean full of things to eat full of them.
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So you can work your way through those, even though I will say, even with a chicken like some people, might just be really sick of chicken breast.
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Say, but they might have forgotten that a chicken has some thighs as well, or some wings, or there might be some other portions of the same animal that you’ve forgotten about, because you thought well, I can only eat chicken breast, or I only know how to cook
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a particular portion of the chicken, or a particular portion of beef, but there is like, when you look at all the different cuts that are available.
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There is a lot of different cuts available and use Youtube to help you as well.
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But you know there’s nothing wrong with fish. I love fish.
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We have fish probably 3 times a week. I love seafood.
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We just live not very far from the fish market, and all of them go down there super early and see what I can get.
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That’s just fresh off the boats. But yeah, different cooking styles, herbs and spices, fresh herbs, so amazing.
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There’s so many different things you can do. Just think about all the different things in the ocean that you can eat.
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Yeah, great teams. Okay, I’m going to throw in the not difficult.
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But the trickiest question to for the end. So this is true.
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So where does the conjugate vegetable fit in?
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And then the next one, a vegetarian question. I’m going to ask the question.
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Sorry, my diet is mainly vegetarian. What are my options?
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And also what kind of hormonal tests do you recommend?
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Right? So the contract question that’s you can find you.
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You can use those is these little little things that are made from contact route.
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It’s the ingredient might also be called Glucamanin.
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They’re fine. I don’t really like them very much.
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I don’t like. Just personally, I don’t like them, but if you like them, and you can find a way to cook them that makes you happy, then they’re fine they’re very low in carbs, and unless you’re sensitive to Glucamen.
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That should be fine for you. A lot of people use things like that as a transition out of using things like that are unhealthy like Pasta.
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And as far as the the vegetarian question.
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So so I was a vegetarian. I was a vegetarian for 5 years, I was a Vegan for one of those 5 years, I was vegetarian for humanitarian reasons, and I I became a vegetarian, even though my father was a budget and he took it
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very personally, and I felt very passionate about it while I was a vegetarian, and while I was a Vegan and my kids were vegetarian for that time, I made my husband become a vegetarian that time, as well, I even changed his he was he used to travel a lot
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for business. I even changed his. Frequent flyer status to vegetarian meals on that.
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He really didn’t like that. But anyway, there is a disparity between wanting to eat for health and 18, for other reasons, when I was a vegetarian, I wasn’t eating for health.
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I was eating because I felt sorry for the animals, and so, for whatever reason you might be a vegetarian, there are some things that you can do, but they’re not ideal.
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If you’re not prepared to eat animal protein so that it is a less than ideal option, you can supplement heavily with amino acids, because that’s what you need.
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But so for our health, condition. Protein is essential essential, so that we can’t build muscles without those amino acids.
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We can’t do it, and especially for us, with the displacement that we have with the fact tissue.
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So we need to supplement heavily with amino acids.
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It’s not ideal. And it’s brought with danger as well because they are not as stable when they’re in the powder form as they are when they’re in their natural form, because they’re manufactured in a manufacturing facility.
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It’s not they’re synthesized.
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The other thing is that if you can be the kind of vegetarian that eats eggs and dairy, if you can tolerate it, you can get protein that way.
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And if you would be the type of vegetarian that would eat some seafood, that would be even that would be a better chance of synthesizing those amino acids from those proteins to be able to make your muscles, that you desperately need.
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Is that a sufficient answer?
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Yes, that’s a great answer. Yeah.
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Okay, I understand. I know how hard it is. I really do.
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Hmm!
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It’s very hot. Yeah, yeah. Okay. There was a few more pop up for you, Kenny, but I’m just mindful of time, so we’ll hand over to Sue.
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Just to get through a few like some questions for Susan, and then, of course, we will link to your contact details as well in case they wants to reach out to you directly.
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Okay, okay, so, Susan, what is the monetary cost of all of these treatments?
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For example, the pumps.
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So are we looking at? Probably need a little bit more information we’re talking about at the Institute, or if for home use.
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Yeah, unfortunately, there’s no more context to that one. Is that, yeah, okay, so say, yeah, you go. Sorry.
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Yeah. So we’ll go through like, so if we yeah, if a patient was coming to the Institute to use the pumps, it’s $39 to for an hour, just to go in the pump.
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That means that we haven’t got a therapist there working on you as well as being able to get a therapist there working on you as well as being in the pumps.
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And in saying that there’s a lot of patients who come in that will place into, say, the blue garments which go up to the bottom of the bus area, and then I’ll do manually that message, or what’s required to keep because once those pump stop they’re bringing up fluid quite quickly so
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that means we’ve got a really try and get that fluid away by working through that chest area and through the chest wall to get it through into the sub.
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So if that’s in the clinic. Yeah, that’s 2 options that could be used, and that would be a $169 if they’re coming in to have a therapist in the room as well.
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But he’s saying that there is so many funding we do care plans with health fund rebates.
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So there’s lots of options there that could support those patients to come in as well.
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Now, if they’re looking at purchasing, we go through so for many rent.
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If you’re renting don’t quite me I think it’s around 140 for the grace suits.
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Now for the latest per month and you’ve got the option to read those pumps in garments for 3 months before you have to decide whether you’re going to purchase in the purchase price is usually around 7 800 and then they will take the 3 months rental off the purchase
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price. The blue suits are purchased by patients in clinics sometimes, but mainly that go to other grey suits, cause it’s a bit more friendly.
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The home, use.
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Yeah, of course. And would that be a general? Would that be a general figure as well for those those watching this that aren’t in Melbourne?
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Would they expect a similar price if they’re accessing therapies elsewhere?
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Not sure.
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Yeah.
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I don’t know each individual therapist has got their own pricing also, in private practice it just depends on what those clinics are doing for themselves in the clinic.
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Yeah. So reach out to the therapist directly. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yes, you just need to speak with the therapist or a clinic if you’re at a site.
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Yeah, of course.
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So we do have a lot of patients who come down to the Institute as well.
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Yes.
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We have them come down from Queensland, New South Wales, over from South Australia, because they’re just searching creators, and they can get diagnosed as well at the clinic.
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So that’s probably the biggest struggle that everyone’s having is just being able to have someone do’s prepared to listen to them.
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And actually give them a diagnosis as well.
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Yes, absolutely.
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Okay. Next question for you, Susan.
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Sorry. Okay.
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My question is about whether there are any effective management strategies outside of daily compression that are also supportive of this one is a skin condition, and I’m I hope I’m pronouncing it correctly.
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Hydrate an itis separativia. Do you know what that is?
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Sounds like a skin condition.
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No, it might be something more in Jimmy’s field.
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Do you know what that is? Kimmy? Hi!
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I think. Isn’t that excessive? Sweating?
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Okay. Yeah. Sorry.
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Oh, no, it’s so, it says. A chronic skin condition, featuring lumps in places such as the armpits or growing the skin lions develop as a result of inflammation and infection of sweat glands.
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Okay, so it includes loose, breathable clothing as part of its management.
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So for those that have that have that condition, and perhaps can’t wear daily compression.
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What she mentioned about her treatment.
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Okay.
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So what would be supportive of that? Yeah.
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So it’d be. Really, it’s quite challenging you wouldn’t want to go into nomadic pumps either, because you’re very confined in plus the place in the pumps would continue to make us wait as well we try and encourage patients not to even go in with their
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skin and try and have the tights on. It’s a bit of a tricky one to me.
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I would still maybe put it in an order on you. That basket as well, which possibly could benefit from.
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I sort of say, switching on the lymphatic system, whether she’d need an extensive lymphatic treatment even through the gut system, to see if we could kick start because it possibly is coming.
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Yeah.
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The inflammatory component should might be coming from an order on you, component as well.
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So it possibly wouldn’t be the only cause. What I’m saying to this probably, are the stuff going on within the system.
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Yes, interesting. And then so this one also sounds like a skin condition, so I’ll do it at the same time.
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I get very dry skin on my lower legs, even with some growths, need the very dry patches of skin.
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What could be done for this?
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Well, the first thing is, we’d be adding Are you moisturizing like we really need to have a good moisturizer, and this is probably a good opportunity to I don’t know how Keny feels, but Soul Lane should be banned from any existence so good
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moisturizing crane that works and actually goes into the skin.
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But also, if you’ve got this dry, component, I’m a big believer of not working with what we see on the outside.
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It’s possibly something that we need to address on the inside.
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Yeah.
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So we it tends to be the bandwidth where we’re working on the what we visually see that definitely, I’d be looking at the internal and start working around more gut health component cause it’s the everything.
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Skin. Whenever we see skin problems, we always think about gastrointestinal.
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Permeability, and also calcum, calcium.
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Not so much. I’m not saying anybody needs to take calcium, but I’m saying that with calcium regulation in the body, and yes, Chris just mentioned about things to do as well.
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Yeah, I mean, it’s insufficient. Yeah.
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Yes. Yeah. So from the inside out, or could be possibly underlying Venus disease.
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Hmm!
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Yeah, from, yeah.
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Which is still, in whatever case this disease or you really need to get some moisture into that skin because it’s gonna lead to problems with Venus disease and lymphatic problems.
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Yeah.
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And breakdowns. Yeah.
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Yeah. Okay, 2 similar questions. So I’ll do it in together for you to where would you purchase the phone?
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Rolling a quick. And is there a link where we can purchase the compression?
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Comments so just looking for ideas on where to purchase some of the things that you mentioned.
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Right. I’m rollers everywhere in all. My, yeah, all Major.
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Yeah, even I think, now, yeah.
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Retail stores. Kima bigw if you wanna go and pay more for them, you could go to rebels.
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All those sports stores have got them, because it’s very much been marketed around that exercising lactic acid.
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The teams. It’s sort of comes with your Yoga mats.
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Yeah.
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Fine, rolling, all the teams have got it, even at Burnwood.
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This dozen of them. They’ve lined up along the wall for people to use, but they, the scary part, the live, the dealer, people, when they use them and the ladies that come into the clinic is they’re frightened to use them because they think it’s gonna hurt and that’s why I give
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them those options of just leaning up against the wall, leaning it near the chair, and things like that.
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Yeah.
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So you’re not really got the full body force when you’re actually on the floor, it’s beautiful techniques.
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And these Youtube clips everywhere on how to use them. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, I think I’ve seen those as well.
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So what was the other one about the garments?
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A link, for where to purchase the compression garments.
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Eileen so if we’re talking about the medical compression garments that I had on, which were the the beige ones on the left hand side of my image, they have to be measured and feeded.
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Yeah.
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So you’ve got to be fitted by professional fitting specialists.
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Don’t just go anywhere. It is a big job. It’s measured when you see my last presentation.
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When I did about garments. They’re getting measured about every 5 cm.
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So we’re doing every lump and bump we’re mindful of.
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The skin folds if we’ve got them, and what’s happening up around that hip and admin?
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So we need to really assess to do that. If it’s the other garments that’s just by flick, and you just go on to the link that Australia site website.
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And they’ll be just it’s an online shop, and you just go through if you’re having any trouble.
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The people on that shop will be able to help you choose the garment and just answer any questions if you just not sure on size in.
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Okay, yeah. And your Academic Institute, which you had up in Melbourne in Melbourne.
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Yes.
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Oops!
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Sorry, and Sig versus also listed on our online support register as well, so they can just type in Susan Butcher on there, and you’ll appear okay.
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What benefits did your patients get specifically from the farm roller?
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Would you mind just going over the benefits again of the firearm?
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Right, so the tissue become quite soft, so she didn’t have that sensitivity to the mobility issue.
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So she had really good range of motion. So before she started, she was really struggling to bend over, pick things up, and even walking through long periods.
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She was really fatigued, so that really increased.
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So it was more the stamina in the strength in the legs, but also the pain factor.
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So when she first started again she was unable to really put much pressure into the farm role or against the legs, especially those in a size cause.
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We all know ladies the other thighs are a killer, but once she decides to tell us to, she was able to put a little bit more pressure there, and the skin become more a less thing.
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So we spoke about that, how it becomes elastic. But it was softer underneath that she could break it up a little bit, but being in Michael, too, she’s only a stage 2.
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She’s not those severe stage 3, which is, gonna be a lot more challenging to the earlier.
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We can get can get on to doing all these exercises in using these apparatus.
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The more benefit you gonna get. Then if it’s left in those later stages.
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Yeah, absolutely. The earlier the better. So we have the next question, which is, I go to?
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- 45. Gym. Most days. Some days I struggle, but I still get my body moving a little bit.
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Is that likewise to be good or bad for me and my lipoedema.
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The next question directly after that which I will just mention, because it’s similar is how much time per day should be spent on exercise.
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Again. It’s all individual. But to the first question, good on you for even going to whatever you can do, it’s a win, you know, and if you only get to go, you know every second day or every third day, you’re still doing something just even 10 min, at home, you just getting down and doing a little bit.
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of farm rolling, or a little bit of getting on an exercise bike, or just those weights that I said.
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Everyone can afford to get those weights from the Kmart or Bigw.
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As I said, but you’re doing something. So you’re why, ahead of those that I haven’t started yet, Emily.
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What was the second one, darling? Good!
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Yep, so how much time per day should be spent on exercise.
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There’s no guide. It’s what you can allocate and any movement is good movement.
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So I’m not gonna a lot of the Jim junkies will say they’ve got to be there for an hour.
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And a half, and most of the time they just sitting on machines on their phones, taken up space for those that really need to do half an hour and get to work.
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And that’s what frustrates me the most.
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But yeah.
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That is frustrating when that happens with the team, when you’re waiting for Sally.
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So it’s all about quality, not quantity.
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I do not have time for that. Yes, yes!
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Okay, so next question.
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I have a full fused back and nerve damage in one leg.
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What do you suggest for exercise, as I am limited?
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Yeah, this is probably not in my room. As I said, I’m doing this as a home.
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My own personal journey, and also as a lipoedema therapist, I would definitely be seeking advice from your Gp.
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And from a professional health team that works in this field. But hopefully, you could find someone that is more savvy around.
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To support you that little extra yard. Hmm!
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Yeah, definitely, there was another question with someone who has some pain.
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Sorry. Well, yeah, I’ll just reiterate what you said there, because this person has said, I have a lot of growing pain which I haven’t been able to get on top of in one leg.
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And nothing. I have done helps. I I wear compression. I follow a low-cost diet, using my aggravates, my even moving my foot on the accelerator in the car.
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What else can I do? Yeah.
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Yeah, putting my remedial message had on of 20 oddies.
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You could if you haven’t had any message or anything.
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Sometimes massage can just really be really beneficial.
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If you’ve got that really tight, soft tissue, and we all start these exercise programs, no matter what it is.
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But we tend to forget that one little component about treating yourself to that massage, because that really can help in those first initial stages as well.
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So we spent a lot of money with our gym memberships, or, you know, getting this equipment.
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But please don’t forget the power of if you’ve got a really good massage therapist, and just it’s not even a treat.
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I think it’s a necessity to be able to do so. You know.
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Keep that in mind as well, and it could be just soft tissue damage. Or it may be something that a Physio, if you’ve got a physio that’s really good in this area may be able to address as well.
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Yeah, absolutely. So that leads into our next question, which is, what should I be looking for with regards to qualifications in a massage therapist?
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I have minimal fluid stage 2, lipoedema.
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And this person is based in New Zealand.
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Right question. So, putting my board head on for the Australasian Lymphology Association, that’s not a bad place to start.
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Any therapist is which is on the Alp portal is a qualified lymphedema therapist, but then also you can break that down into.
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If you want to see a physiotherapist, if you want to stay in Osteo or if you want to see a massage therapist.
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So that would all be highly skilled in trying to work within.
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Believe the in the community. So just get on and have a look and just work out which modality you actually would prefer.
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And then you can find them on that screen.
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Absolutely good idea. I have seen a therapist that uses laser.
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What is your opinion on this?
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Again. It’s a it’s a great. We’ve got them in the clinic.
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I didn’t put them up on the presentation. I thought about it, but the license can play a big benefit again.
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The reason, they’re only in low level lices that we use.
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So that means they don’t have a deep, a lot of medical clinical ones that are very high tech in a spirits, and you need to have that qualification to use them.
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But we use them a lot for scar tissue. So in smaller areas they work really well.
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But if we’re talking like the handheld, Poly light which we’ve got when you’re doing a lot of theema leg that’s so extensive, you know.
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I’m very mindful of that person is coming in for an hour, and it’s a big job to cover a big area with a license.
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It’s only got a head that’s working at capacity about as big as a golf ball.
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So I’m mindful for quality, for money, and spending that time and really giving them something that when they leave, the feeling is how this hey?
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Receive something, but he’s saying that there was a question there where the lady mentioned about the the red light like laser that was there, and that was actually a lipoedema patient that was in the the movie slide that we did at the end now I got that in from Germany and that’s called a
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multi-lise is only 3 in Australia, the other 2 clinics using them are using it for acupuncture points so we’re the only clinic in Australia that’s actually using it for lipoedema.
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And that’s the only thing that I usually put on them.
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And the reason I got it in is because the bars are so extensive along with their rows.
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We’re actually delivering 250 jewels into the limbs rather than 25, which you would have in a hand held Lisa.
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So I can actually do a live in one movement and the width and the height of them, you can actually only use 4 rows, and you’ve completed the whole hit and a body body area.
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Sorry in leaks, so it’s more costs portable, and they’re getting more for the time that they’re there.
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So in 50 min I can cover, you know, a lady that might be a 150 kilos higher, and get that coverage.
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In quite a short space of time in a penetrates in about 5 cm.
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In the research paper that we done this went to Denmark.
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My research paper, where it was presented, and it actually showed that we reduce pine, and we increased mobility.
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Now as far as melting fat. That’s a lot of nonsense, but they were the main thing that they’ve done. But adversely, all these patients.
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We had 15 on the trial by lost weight, but I believe the reason I lost weight in circumference was because they were more mobile, and they didn’t have the pain.
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So they actually decided that they were gonna go for a walk or a little bit more active around the home.
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And then that decrease their circumference measures so great tool it’s called the multi license, like anyone who wants to know more about that.
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Just email, me.
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Hey, yeah, amazing. Wow. So just a couple more questions around different different topics.
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Massage guns, useful or harmful, softening fibrosis with, yeah.
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So the massage handle machines. Yeah, I’ve often said I don’t encourage them to go out and buy them, but I come from that era where every mother’s day we got a massage machine. We actually went through the run we got breadmakers.
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We had footsteps, and we had massage machines so usually up in the top covered in the wardrobe, they usually use a handheld massage where I did the cupping in that slide.
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You could actually do the same thing with the handheld messaging.
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Okay.
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So it’s just simulating that loose connecting tissue, and that that area around the groin in the inner groin.
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And that just helps stimulate. Instead of that fluid building up because the fat is just blocking him and soaking in all that lymphatic, it actually just stimulates.
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And it actually moves it through a lot of people can get some benefits from that.
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In the early stages, if we’re talking the late stage threes.
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Very challenging to be able to work with them with their leg conditions as well.
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Yeah.
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Not impossible, but a lot more challenging.
01:53:52.000 –> 01:53:54.000
Yeah. So the earlier the better I can. Yes.
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Earlier the better. It’s all about education and awareness.
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Absolutely okay. And then.
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How how long does it take to notice a softening of tissue with the more traditional massage, with lipoedema?
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Some people get relief as soon as they’ve had the treatment, so we can have people sort of finish the treatment they get up.
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And they say, Oh, my good! I feel I feel like I’m floating.
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I feel just so light, and others might have one or 2 treatments, and then they notice the difference.
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It just depends at what stage that tissue is at night.
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We know you talk about lakes, cause that is the main sort of area that we’re seeing.
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When they come in for the messages. Hey? Yeah, it depends on the patient and how it beats. They are.
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But usually you can get a really good noticeable difference.
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After the first treatment.
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Yeah, okay. Well, I think that we might leave it there just because we’ve gone overtime already.
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That we didn’t get to all of the questions.
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Unfortunately, but again, I’ve just got you a lovely photo is that just with the website, and we haven’t put that link in.
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But in the email that we send out with the link to the recording, we will include all the links that we mentioned here.
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Especially the lymphedema therapist register, Australasian, that you mentioned.
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Susan, and these are the websites up here on the screen.
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Now for the lovely Kimi and Susan, so that you can reach out to them directly.
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If you have further questions, and I know you have a really resourceful newsletter.
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Kimmy.
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No, I love it. I love reading your knees at that end.
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You have a lot of info on Sigvars and our Team Institute, and a lot of a lot of information on your website as well.
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Susan. So yeah, again, thank you to you both. Thank you.
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Everyone who joined us this evening, I hope. Yeah, I hope we all.
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I got a lot of information out of it. So I’m sure, yeah.
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Thank you, Emily, for supporting us, as you always do.
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Thank you. Yeah.
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Oh, good evening, everyone!
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Oh, my pleasure, my pleasure! All right. Yeah.
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Okay, yeah. Have a good night, everybody. Morning. Wherever you are.
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Yeah, thank you to you. Bye, bye.
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Thanks, bye!